Ep. 105: Feelings Check In. 1) Are we so back with David Hoffman 2) Having kids and being ambitious

[00:00] the questions that I think we want to get to is like, [00:02] what it means to be perceived and like to be a person online. [00:06] Just like we're going to go level deeper. Sure, sure, sure. Oh yeah, okay, great, great, great, great. [00:13] Welcome to The Feelings Check-In, a feelings first look at the news of the week. Takes no one asked for on topics everyone's talking about. I'm Natasha Hoskins. I'm Dina Burke. And this is Boys Club. Wait, is it just Boys Club? It's just Boys Club. The Boys Club podcast? No. No. [00:30] Just boys club. [00:31] On today's show, we have a big... [00:36] Friend of the pod, David Hoffman. Welcome to the show. Hi, guys. [00:40] Good to be here. David Hoffman is the co-host of Bankless, a very famous crypto podcast, the crypto podcast. I know like we're competitive to you guys right up there, but thank you so much for coming on. Deep friend of the pod. So super fun to have you. I always get this when people come into like our Zoom meetings, like, oh, I feel like I'm on the podcast. And then I hop into your guys' Riverside and Dina says, [01:03] Hi. And I'm like, oh, that's exactly how you start the Boys Club podcast. I feel like I'm here. [01:10] Welcome to Boys Club World here. Natasha and I were wanting to do an episode on [01:17] state of the union with crypto. [01:21] answering the question, are we so back? And we could think of no one better to help give us a sort of overview of what's happening in the crypto markets lately. It's something that we actually don't cover really ever. So excited to have you on and get your take. I can share my experiences coming back out of the bear market from last cycle and talk to you about how it maps on to some of my experiences this cycle. One of my friends was giving me the takes

[01:51] I'll start. [01:51] This is not real. It's just like, we're a little too early. We're just like, the bull market is not back on. We're like that meme of the girl on the plane. That person back there is not real. [02:04] And like, I remember... [02:06] feeling like that uh like oh yeah like people are bullish crypto is bullish crypto twitter is bullish internally crypto is bullish but no one still no one else cares about us like it's still an insular movement that's going on and i felt like that for about six to nine months until then all of a sudden out the outside world cared very very quickly and so you have this like limbo period where you like don't really know and like yeah all your friends are bullish and everyone's [02:36] and then all of a sudden you do. [02:38] Um, [02:39] How many times can we repeat that same pattern before actually that doesn't work anymore? I don't know. Markets are just comprised of people, right? Like everyone has their own internal takes. And if everyone flips bullish... [02:51] That's, [02:52] Contagious. Yeah. There are stablecoin inflows. You know, Bitcoin's above $30,000. Like there are tokens that are coming back to life that have been in the grave for the past two years. There are communities that chewed on glass this lab for the last two years. There's plenty of reasons to be bullish. They're all bullish catalysts. We're all waiting for like the match to drop. And I don't know. Can we just repeat every single cycle again in the same pattern that we've done before? Yeah.

[03:21] Until further notice is what I would say. Yeah. So for listeners who maybe aren't as entrenched in crypto Twitter as we are or the crypto industry generally, as David mentioned, crypto prices are up. Bitcoin hit 38,000. Ethereum is over 2000. In terms of that match, I know that the speculation is around the Bitcoin ETF, Ethereum ETF perhaps as well. [03:51] podcasting in the future, who the fuck knows. [03:54] How are you feeling about the Bitcoin ETF? Overhyped, underhyped? [03:58] appropriately hyped. [04:00] appropriately hyped, but we do have to say that the Bitcoin ETF as a fundamental catalyst for crypto isn't like a binary moment. It's not like first we will get the ETF and then we will have some external capital come into Bitcoin because of the demand for Bitcoin. When the gold ETF was created, it doesn't just open up a one time. [04:23] buy pressure, it opens up flows. It's like consistent buy pressure over time. So it doesn't just like paint a floor on the Bitcoin price. So if the Bitcoin ETF opens up at like $38,000, then perhaps we have this perceived floor of like $38,000 that maybe will never go down below. But really the floor is like, well, actually there's like this incoming flows into buying Bitcoin and then eventually Ether with the Ether ETF. The flows have the floor, 401ks, retirement

[04:53] the S&P. [04:54] Right. And that same effect will also happen for Bitcoin and Ether. And so like the floors have a floor, which is something meaningfully different. And so today crypto is like appropriately hyping it, but they need to also remember to remain hyped about it in the future. And I don't know if they're doing that. OK, just to unpack what you're saying, essentially, you're saying over time. [05:16] there will be continued buy pressure. And so crypto Twitter needs to essentially remember that this is like a long play. It's not something that's going to have this. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. And so you've been in crypto six years. This is what, like your third sort of market cycle. For me, my entry into crypto was obviously the last bull run. My first ever bankless episode that I listened to, you and Ryan were talking about Ethereum hitting Bitcoin. [05:42] being over $4,000. That was my introduction to crypto. [05:47] She's a top baby. [05:51] So that's where I'm coming from. So for me, I'm like, okay, we got a ways to go to get back to where we were. But the cultural moment that happened with the last bull run was really about sort of NFTs or DAOs, like coordination of people around a token or JPEGs having some sort of value. [06:12] and I'm definitely biased because that's the world that introduced me into crypto in many ways but there were these cultural movements that also moved the market along and got people excited about it that aren't interested in finance or aren't interested in shit coins or whatever it is or interested in like ethereum mechanics like that aren't technical people and a lot of what I hear people talking about for this next cycle and the

[06:36] hope of the next cycle is ETFs, stable coins, real world assets, a lot of things that have a ton of obviously [06:45] significance and institutional power in the way that money flows and moves around the world, but I'm not seeing a lot of cultural movement into the space. And so I'm wondering what your perspective is of like, okay, are those the things that are going to move this next market along? Or are you seeing other trends in the industry that you think will also contribute to the next bull run? Yeah. Yeah. So again, kind of like pulling back the patterns from what happened [07:15] 2019, a DeFi bull market. Uniswap was brand new. MakerDAO was brand new. We could mint a stable coin for the first time. We could trade permissionlessly for the first time. Aave was relatively new. These were the reasons like, oh, we're going to change finance. We're going to disrupt Wall Street. That's the bull market that's going to happen. And that happened in the year 2020. It was called DeFi Summer. DeFi Summer was actually the spiritual reincarnation of the ICO mania, where people could just mint and distribute tokens, and tokens were flying all over the place. [07:45] DeFi summer was like, okay, DeFi is real. And we're doing this thing called like [07:49] liquidity mining for governance tokens. Governance tokens were like the tip of the spearhead for DAOs because like what do DAOs do? They govern. And so the whole DeFi side of things, the bull market that I saw coming happened in 2020. [08:01] Natasha, you came in because of NFTs in 2021. No one in my circle saw NFTs coming whatsoever.

[08:08] at all. Culture was not in my vocabulary in 2019. It was all finance. And so that was a surprise. [08:16] And so like one of the things that will take crypto mainstream, like in the ways that NFT did, is it's not really something you can see coming almost by definition. Yeah. Some few people do and will see it coming. [08:28] uh because they're like the nerds that are playing around with crypto punks like imagine playing with crypto punks in like 2018 like you're a weird person um uh and so like there's going to be net new use cases that no one's gonna be able to see coming and then there's also going to be the theses that people do see coming from a long way off like real world assets in crypto gaming but they aren't going to be explosive in the sense because like people already know them that they're coming right and it's going to be much more slower and drawn out uh rather than just like we created [08:58] Interesting. I think that for us, we are at Boys Club generally, and I think Natasha and I specifically love the crypto community and love... [09:09] going to conferences and seeing everyone and meeting up with everyone. And that's like very much what voice club was born from, but it does feel like it, [09:18] It's a lot of the same people at this point. And maybe that's just the market that we're in. But I think if it were to just be this plus some clever financial tools, I'd [09:33] I'd be disappointed by that being the outcome for what we've all been working on over the past couple of years. And...

[09:41] I think that the cultural component is not only important, but like critical, I think, to getting and attracting those new faces and voices in. So, yeah. [09:49] I know you just said you don't know what that's going to be. But like if you were to speculate, do you think it's some of these decentralized social things? [09:57] experiments that are happening? Does that excite you? Is it things weird or stuff like friend.tech? What in the sort of left field [10:06] arena are you excited about or are you watching i think with like boys club world is like interested in boys club has like this interesting like duality of uh [10:17] At least in comparison to the rest of the crypto industry, what are your guys' strengths? [10:22] It's in real life social relationships. Like being real is one of Boys Club's biggest strengths. Like Boys Club, maybe in the grand scheme of things versus just like layer one chain tribes or layer two chain tribes or just like NFT community tribes is like relatively small. But you guys are always wherever I am when I'm out on a conference somewhere. Like the in real life presence is super strong. [10:47] And, and [10:49] That's like this interesting dichotomy where you have like, well, these are people that are always online, but they really want to be with each other. [10:57] And that's like a part of crypto that I think is underserved. [11:01] The in real life part. And I think like Boys Club will just kind of grow as crypto itself matures because we like where did crypto start? Like basement dwelling libertarians that don't want to go outside. Where does crypto need to be? Like where society is, like where social relationships happen, like in real life. And so you guys are like playing the longest of games. And so like.

[11:26] So what I'm hearing, David, is that we are going to responsible for the next bull run. [11:31] the correct bull run yes yeah great great yeah the so like there's a bunch of like infrastructure that still needs to get built out to have like all of these social platforms that work that are crypto enabled like we had a friend tech [11:45] um what was born and i think the real win out of frantek is going to perhaps be privy which is their wallet infrastructure that supports frantek behind it which they just raised at some evaluation uh not too long ago so that more apps can get wallets because like one of the biggest reasons why people can't play with crypto is because like wallets are dumb and bad um and so we need to fix that and all of a sudden like well if you get the crypto side of things like the crypto infra the [12:15] to do which is like be very social animals who engage with each other on a personal basis which is where things like boys club shine uh and so there's still a lot of infra to build sadly [12:26] 15 years into this project. But I mean... [12:29] Society is only becoming more online. Like we are only becoming more digitally native. We're only becoming more comfortable with digital assets. Right. Like you call it a thing, a digital collectible. It's truly an NFT, but you call it a digital collectible. And society is just going to be okay with that. And we just need the tools to enable humans to do their most human things. [12:48] I have a few hot takes that I'm curious what you think about. One is this saying that we've been just kind of...

[12:57] I don't know where Dina found it, but around the HQ, Voice Club HQ, we've just been throwing around that AI is web three. AI is web three. What do you think? What do you think about that? Just like, what's my response to this concept of AI is web three? Yeah. [13:14] I need further information. I don't know how to accept that take. AI, what does that mean? I think that it's kind of pointing to... [13:26] Web 3 being the next evolution of the internet. And yes, there's the tokenization and the financialization and the ability to own parts of the internet, which I think is like kind of the Web 3 that we see and that we understand the shape of, but that there are other converging, emerging technologies that are going to be all be swirling around at the same time. And to be [13:56] about like what's next and the crypto aspect of it being part of the rails, but that there being these other rails that we should be considering as well. Is it like saying AI is going to disrupt Web2 faster than crypto will? What the internet looks like is going to be more defined by AI than crypto? Is that what you think? I think... [14:15] No. Yeah. So like the whole Web3 meme is like read, write, own, right? Like Web3, you get to own stuff. But so like maybe visually and experientially, Web3 is more defined or like the future of the internet is more defined by AI because we're about to be interfacing with AI at a much more frequent basis.

[14:45] Web3 is always like a Rorschach test, right? Like everyone kind of like has their own interpretations for what it is. Great. I love that. Very safe answer. Very much. Just being careful. David DeVos is really avoiding having a quote that we were going to pull and use as a social clip. You danced around that. Next up, the world that you occupy in cryptos is, as we've talked about, very different than ours. And you're thinking a lot about different... [15:13] layer ones, different layer twos, you're talking about tokens all the time. If you had to give an overview [15:19] on some of the things that you're excited about right now, some of the builders that you're talking with. For someone who's not deep in the weeds, can you give us a little bit of an overview? Yeah, so every single cycle, there is the war of layer ones. And so I think Bitcoin and Ether are largely... [15:35] out of that war uh which is why we've seen price performance out of solana because like the this will be in solana's first bigger big like return into the limelight uh and then people are just going to start speculating downstream which is what they do during bull markets and so solana tech it's new it's novel it's fun they're attracting new types of people that ethereum never attracted and so kudos to them are people buying solana just because it's not ethereum in [16:05] allow us to have privacy? Because right now the answer is no. Ban Tornado Cash. What else are they going to ban? Are we allowed to have privacy on Ethereum? This is, I think, going to be the overarching...

[16:16] war between crypto and nation states. As we get regulatory approval for the ETFs, as we get more clarity on securities, as we give Gary Gensler the boot out the door, we're going to have a lot of regulatory clarity, not around privacy. Privacy and whether individual retail people can have privacy is a war that is very much at its beginning. And we have a lot of work to do. I do want to end with a feelings check-in and you're familiar with the pod, so you know the [16:46] There was some drama for you, and we don't necessarily need to get into the drama. Welcome to cover it if you would like. But I'm more just curious, you have been a person who has been in the... [17:00] eye of this industry for a long time your personality in this industry like I don't want to gas you up too much so I'll leave it at that but there are a lot of people who have opinions about you and a lot of people who have opinions about the work that you do and Dina and I so often talk about how we struggle with that a lot in our own lives and in the world of boys club feel like it's something that holds us back often and so I'm going to talk about how we're [17:23] Wanted to have a quick feelings check in with you about the state of your life and how you're feeling about being someone who has an online personality, but is also just like a human being trying to do the best that they can. [17:35] I think something that Bankless and Boy's Club podcast share is that one of the reasons why Bankless itself is like such a lightning rod for drama, I think, is because like me and Ryan are like super opinionated about stuff. Therefore, people's opinions and our opinions clash because like, OK, well, Bankless is a place that has opinions. So I'm going to express my opinions and these things, these opinions are going to like have little fights with each other.

[18:05] to have opinions and also like we can have the arena like it is a little bit of the arena and also simultaneously another similar thing with with you guys and me and ryan it's like because i've met both of you guys in real life a handful of times it's like you guys are actually the same people on the podcast as you are in real life which i deeply appreciate uh because like when i come and listen to you guys on the podcast i know i'm hearing exactly what you guys are thinking on on the inside right like it's a it's the authenticity of the brand that i think attracts [18:35] like bankless is more opinion like we're a thesis driven media company we're less news we're more about takes and you create the environment where people's like okay yeah you can express your takes and then you also layer on like twitter and the toxicity that is twitter and the filter of toxicity that is twitter and then the just like in perfect fidelity of communications through the internet and all of a sudden you just kind of have the ms that is like the online arena yeah all of these [19:05] together and the human brain is not adapted for this very well. How do you manage criticism? [19:12] Do you take it personally or do you have some... [19:16] coping mechanism that you kind of turn to in those moments where you feel like you're getting a ton of heat. Asking selfishly, because I need to know and want to know and want to use them for myself as well. One thing I'll just add to that is, as you were saying like, oh, we're the same people that we are online, you're the same way. And... [19:33] That's great, but it also means like...

[19:36] when people are criticizing you, like they're actually criticizing you. And that is much harder. [19:43] Yeah, I don't know. I take it one step at a time. And every single instance of like drama is, you know, facts and circumstances has to be taken by its merits. [19:53] It's always funny, like everyone knows who's a content producer to not read their own YouTube comments, but everyone does it. And like sometimes you'll read a YouTube comment, which like really... [20:02] digs the knife, like twists the knife. Because it's not just what they say, but you know that, like, oh, you've been listening to like bankless like a lot because that was a deep cut and that cut deep, right? It goes both ways. And it's just part of like what happens when you put like 10,000 hours of your face and voice on the internet. And... [20:21] then you have like there's especially with the broadcasting of podcasting is like one to many and then the many many many takes come back at you and they all kind of get muddled together [20:33] And getting signal from that noise is difficult because some takes cancel each other out. Well, one person said this, which completely conflicts with what a different person said. So I don't know how to get a signal there. The amount of them is overwhelming. [20:50] And at some point, you have to just like, I've been in crypto for six years. Sometimes people don't make it in crypto. Sometimes they get like washed out. Sometimes they get burnt out. Sometimes they put too much risk on the table. Like, I'm still here. You know who else is still here? My partner, Ryan. I don't know. At some point, it's just like every single time there's like drama, I just...

[21:10] have to deal with it that's unique to those circumstances if i can turn every single one into a learning lesson however small [21:17] then it makes the next one not as bad. [21:20] -I would say. - Yeah. [21:21] Wow. Well, I don't envy your weekend. David, thank you so much for coming on. Great job. I was always happy to come on. Bye, David. [21:51] Go to kraken.com backslash boys club, sign up in just a few minutes and see what crypto can be. [22:09] Hi. We have some feelings? I have some feelings, yeah. I'll see you. First of all, I just want to say thank you to everyone who wrote in after last week's feelings check-in to say that they enjoy the feelings check-in. It's so nice. It was really nice, and all the messages were... [22:23] so deeply appreciated and yeah as we said on the podcast last week like it sometimes feels [22:30] Like a black hole podcasting. [22:32] Yeah. You don't know, just ship it out. Who knows? But it's really nice to get notes back and, and hear how people are receiving it. So great. It's so nice. Thank you so much to all those who said that they like it. We see every single one of those notes and it makes our day truly. So it really does. It really does. Okay.

[22:54] I have something I'm wrestling with currently. [22:57] Okay. Which is... [23:00] I've talked about [23:03] This is very, very personal, but... [23:06] trigger warning we're here now there's no turning back [23:11] Um... [23:13] I've talked in... [23:15] previously on feelings check-ins about how [23:19] I'm 39. [23:20] turning 40 this year and [23:22] in your late 30s, I think, it becomes... [23:25] you become very present to the ticking clock of... [23:31] fertility. [23:34] And... [23:36] How... [23:38] Thank you. [23:39] You know, I have two kids. Even when you have a family, it's like, [23:42] the... [23:44] And time starts to feel like it's running out on... [23:48] Thank you. [23:49] things. [23:50] Everything. [23:53] But specifically, like, most pointed towards, like, family and kids and stuff like that. And... [24:00] I don't know. I've been going through something over the past couple months about like... [24:05] kind of mourning that in a way and, and feeling like in your twenties and thirties, like all the doors are open and then doors start closing and that feeling that [24:18] really like there's just a like going through that as a process i found personally like i've had to

[24:25] I'm like mentally processing it. And then I think... [24:30] that layered on with career roles. [24:34] There's like the age and the family and the fertility thing. And then there's the... [24:40] like the Photoshop layer that you can add in, which is career. [24:45] And ambition. [24:47] And... [24:48] Thank you. [24:49] managing the two of those things [24:53] is... [24:54] Really hard. [24:55] And I think that [24:58] One thing that I've done in my career, especially like in my 30s and even now, is the sort of math around... [25:08] Okay, if I have a kid now, then... [25:11] this pregnancy nine months then a quarter where i can't travel and like what's like my job situation and how is this going to affect like some things that i have coming out like there's a [25:23] a calculation that goes into like optimizing the time to have kids as it relates to your career and the things that are happening in career and whether you have a job, a stable job or and. [25:35] Totally watch out. Yeah. Because... [25:39] One influences the other in ways that... [25:42] I don't know. It feels... [25:46] I don't know that I have a great articulation of it other than to just say every time in my career when I've tried to make those calculations about whether or not to have a kid at a certain time –

[25:59] because of my career, when I've looked back at it, in hindsight, I've always felt like, [26:05] man, I prioritized my career in that moment and [26:09] because of whatever I was like waiting for a promotion or was like just started a new job or whatever it is and like [26:14] And in hindsight, that has always felt [26:17] Silly. [26:18] Yeah. [26:19] and trivial, but in the moment it feels really important. And I think, [26:24] I don't know. That's just a feeling that I'm wrestling with currently right now. And... [26:29] I think that [26:32] Thank you. [26:34] I don't know what the solve is. Better child care and systems in the United States? Something? I don't know. Because I don't think it's more maternity leave. I don't know exactly what the solve is. You're like legislation. That's immediately where he went. [26:54] Yeah. [26:56] First of all, thank you for sharing. I think the experience is what a lot of people like. [27:02] face and... [27:04] It's, [27:05] This weird, like fertility and having kids or starting a family or all of these things are... [27:13] deeply [27:14] emotional and personal and [27:17] And [27:19] so unique to everybody and i think but it's also weirdly this shared experience [27:25] for everybody in the world, but also primarily for women who are thinking about

[27:30] having [27:31] a family. And... [27:34] I think when you were talking about hindsight, it's always so hard because... [27:40] Whenever you look back and there's a decision you didn't make, [27:45] That's always the decision you're going to think about. [27:47] Like what did I not do? And yeah, [27:51] How did that... [27:52] positively or negatively affect my life. And it's much harder to look at the decisions you do [27:59] It's like you, the information you don't have. And so when you don't have that information, there's always like a huge question mark around what if, what if, and what could that have been? And what would my experience and feelings around it be? And, and I think it's really hard because I'm, [28:16] I don't have kids and I, but I look at all of my friends around me and [28:22] It's such a... There's an equation and a calculation and a... [28:28] sacrifice that is made. [28:31] in starting a family and [28:34] or deciding not to start a family either way. And, [28:38] It's existential because it literally is like, it's, is it too simple? [28:43] have another life in the world or not. And then once you have that, it's all of the decisions around it that... [28:50] you're constantly calculating [28:52] your time, your attention, your prioritization of the things that are in your life. And it's really [28:59] And witnessing it in other people, I see how exhausting it is and how taxing it is emotionally because...

[29:06] I feel like the decisions don't stop after you have kids. The decisions only get more difficult. And... [29:15] I have seen you balance it and have been so impressed and, [29:20] also have seen how hard it is to... [29:25] have a family [29:26] feel like you're prioritizing [29:28] them in an appropriate way while also being really ambitious and wanting to have a career and [29:34] I... [29:36] think [29:38] you're in this really difficult window of there is... [29:44] a [29:46] as you said, a door that is closing. Yeah. And... [29:49] the calculation on whether... [29:52] you're ready to have that door closed or not, that window is still open. It's not actually over. [29:56] For you. And that's, I think that limbo is a much harder place to be in than the other side of it. [30:04] And, yeah. [30:06] I think it's a thing that a lot of people... [30:09] are probably thinking a lot about right now you know it's so silly though it's like okay [30:14] Like, just the practicalities of it. I'm like, okay, well... [30:20] no traveling for six months, last trimester, first trimester. If I were to get pregnant again, I don't want to have my picture taken. I don't want to be on stage because I have... [30:30] Don't want to be... [30:32] Perceived. Perceived. Anyway, so it's just like... Well, also you're a very private person.

[30:39] Even though you come on this podcast and talk about your feelings every week. But you are like you. There's things about you that. [30:46] You really like to... [30:48] And I feel the same way and I respect this so much. [30:51] Be... [30:53] yourself. [30:54] And not... [30:56] go into the world as a woman who is married as a mom, like you don't want to bring that into a lot of the spaces professionally that you, you, [31:06] that you are in. And... [31:10] I think that that is... [31:12] One, I'm [31:13] I hate to say it, but very difficult to do as a woman. [31:17] Like a man does that all the time. He takes up space in the world as a man, as his independent person and not as somebody who... [31:25] carries other people along with them. Yeah. And I think it's more difficult to do. And I think you do that really well. And you've found a path to do that. And yeah, [31:35] with people who you're close to, like you do talk about your family and your kids and know all these people and love all these people. Like I know those parts of you, but I think a lot of people experience you as just Dina. [31:45] And as soon as you're like pregnant in the world, it's impossible. It's completely impossible. And people want to talk to you about being a mom and like your family and how you decided to make these. And like, all of a sudden, you're, it's absolutely impossible to show up in the world as Dina. Like you're showing up in the world as a mother. Yeah, true. That is... [32:06] Of course, all of the things that you do for your job [32:09] they wouldn't be the same or you wouldn't enjoy. And...

[32:13] That balance against, yeah, but that's realistically nine months out of your whole life. [32:19] it seems silly to make a decision based off that, but it's also like all that your life is, is, [32:25] your lived every day. A series of nine months. Exactly. Exactly. So the tension of those two things, I think it's like basically impossible. I... [32:35] here for you. I know you. I know you're here for me. Okay, let's end this now. When you're first getting started with crypto, it can be scary. Am I doing this right? Is this just like my bank or trading app? How is it new and different? Well, that's why we love Kraken. They have a 24-7, 365 customer support team that's there to hold your hand all along the way. This isn't a nine-to-five, Monday-to-Friday bank. This is crypto. It's all the time. Anyone's [33:05] Not investment advice. Crypto trading involves risk of loss. Cryptocurrency services are provided to U.S. and U.S. territory customers by Payward Ventures, Inc. [33:19] Should we do some draft tweets? Oh, I have one that I think I'm going to send today. Okay, let's hear it. I need a beautiful woman to explain the jobs report to me. [33:28] you [33:31] that's so funny I love it [33:35] Send it. Okay. Send it. Ship it. Great, great, great. [33:38] Um, I, this is not a draft tweet, but I'm curious if you've seen this discourse around the nicotine gums being good for workouts or raising your IQ.

[33:47] Oh, I haven't seen the Raising Your IQ, but I've seen it being like a brain... [33:53] hack. Yeah. It like raises your IQ by like points. [33:57] Oh, measurable points. And I'm like, kind of into it. Curious. I saw some behind the counter the other day where I can't remember where it was. And I was like, [34:07] Maybe. Should I get addicted to nicotine? Okay, that's that. Okay. [34:15] There it is. That's Boys Club. We have two podcasts, two online, where we talk about internet culture and this podcast where we report on some web three or emerging tech story and then talk about our feelings, the feelings check in. So thank you for listening. Please like, subscribe, share, send to your friends. Anything else? That's it. Thank you so much.