Ep 161: MALWARE 1) Brazil's Twitter Ban 2) Trump's World Liberty Financial DeFi Project 3) NEO Beta, the Humanoid Robot

[00:00] I was with my sister and my brother-in-law today. [00:03] And I don't know what's going on with this robot thing at all. And I was like, Hey, I have to go. I have to go prep for the pod. And they were like, what are you talking about today? And I was like, well, [00:10] uh trump's token i don't know i didn't know anything about it at the time so it's like there's a crypto project trump's involved with and then like i don't know ai robots that give you hugs and they were like what and i was like i don't know dina's doing that one malware is a non-technical look at the tech news of the week this is a podcast where we learn together about everything from crypto to ai to whatever comes next in tech i'm natasha hoskins [00:40] It's just Boys Club. The Boys Club podcast? No, no. [00:45] Just sports club. [00:46] Hi. Hey. This was a fun app. I agree. It was a great app. A-sode. I'm Natasha. I'm Dina. [00:55] This is Malware. This is a podcast by Boys Club where we talk about the emerging tech stories from the week. And I just want to tell you... [01:03] you guys are so great and i've been seeing some additional reviews come in for this podcast and please do that it means a lot and like on spotify or on spotify yeah there's been a little um uptick of reviews and i would like more that's so kind thank you to everyone who's done that that's so kind yes so do that and if you have already done that one thing you can do if you're just looking for a little job is just send this to a friend who might be interested mm-hmm

[01:33] So we have three stories today. What did we talk about Dina? Okay. So we're going to start off talking about the Brazil Twitter ban. [01:42] come to brazil etc then we're going to talk about uh world liberty coin which is the trump d5 project yeah coin oh there's no coin yet there's no coin yet so don't spread misinformation [01:56] There it is. And then we are going to talk about Neo Beta, the humanoid robot. You're in for a treat on that story in particular. But I do think you'll learn something from all three. Before we get into it, I want to talk a little bit about the Stellar Meridian Conference. Talk to me. So there's a conference happening next month in London, October 15th to 17th. It is put on by [02:26] use cases you love to see it crypto you honestly love to see it you love to see it doing god's work what a relief it is to see that folks from stripe central bank of brazil people who are really using brazil we are again you just elba uh-huh cool attendance and yeah just talking about all the ways that people are using stellar around the world right now we do have some discount codes yeah big discount big discount big discount yeah so if you're interested the link is in the [02:56] notes for access to those [02:58] discount codes and thank you to Stellar. Yeah. It's going to be a great conference. [03:03] Okay. Enjoy the show.

[03:05] you [03:06] Hey, Natasha. So a question we get asked a lot is, what do you look for in a crypto platform? So let's talk about it. Well, Dina, I look for a secure, no fuss platform that I can dive into right away. That's why I love today's sponsor, Kraken. If you're waiting for the right time to get into crypto, Kraken makes it super easy and intuitive to get started. Plus, if you get stuck, they have an award-winning client support team that's available 24-7, along with a bunch of educational guides, articles, and videos to help you along the way. [03:36] kraken.com backslash boys club and see what crypto can be not investment advice crypto trading involves risk of loss and is offered to us customers through payward interactive inc [03:48] Let's start with the Brazil Twitter ban. [03:51] Okay, you're going to report on that for me? I'm going to report on the story for you. I'm sure you're familiar with the bones of it. [03:58] bones but very loosely honestly haven't been following it that closely okay so basically the short story is elon musk has been in a [04:08] months, maybe years long feud with one of Brazil's Supreme Court justices. Okay, Battle Royale. Battle Royale, tit for tat. And it's basically resulted in the ban of access to ex Twitter [04:24] on Saturday of this past week and then on Monday morning the Supreme Court of Brazil formally announced and backed the ban. So you have to like VPN it up? [04:33] You have to VPN. If you do VPN, there is apparently an $8,000 fine for people who are caught VPNing. Yeah, it's no joke. I just want to say really quick, if you are a founder of...

[04:46] Or work in a marketing team. [04:49] for a VPN. [04:51] You should sponsor this podcast. You should. We're VPN users. I'm serious. It would be very smart of you. So just... [04:59] Ears perk up. [05:00] And... [05:02] Give us a code and pay us to promote you here. Anyway, continue. So there's... [05:09] conflicting numbers about how many people this affects but okay the consensus that i was able to see was that there's 40 million [05:16] ex-users in Brazil. Wow. So they're all that is off. Brazil is huge. I forget how huge Brazil is. Huge country. 40 million. Wow. Huge country. And it's a big hit. [05:28] to the user base. I'm going to talk about the memes and stuff in a bit, but I want to give a little bit of color to the dispute that Elon's been in with [05:37] Justice Alessandra Demorais. I'll just call him Demorais for the purpose of this podcast. No problem. Whatever you prefer. So some color on what's been happening in Brazil over the past couple of years. [05:50] the sort of culture war has looked very similar to what it does in the U.S. Okay. They had a... [05:57] far-right populist president Bolsonaro. He was [06:02] in office in 2022 he got voted out of office and there was an insurrection similar to what we had here okay um theirs was i think january 8th 2022 and like people stormed congress people stormed supreme court and protest of what they felt was

[06:19] the Bolsonaro [06:21] election was like stolen from him so okay very similar well very similar things happening in [06:30] The sort of lines that are being drawn in the culture war are very similar as well, where it's like the sort of far right concerns over misinformation and inciting violence and those sort of far right accounts on one side. And then on the other side, you have Elon Musk saying like, you guys are censoring me and you're censoring my people. Like a free speech. Free speech stuff. Yeah. Honestly, similar to what we talked about last week. There's this thing that happened generally called the Twitter files, which has been an ongoing thing that has revealed all this information about how Twitter has been operating. [07:00] The Twitter files, it writes itself. Totally. There's kind of like a Twitter files Brazil edition where there was some back and forth that was revealed that basically where the sort of ire stems from between Musk and Demerize is that, and it was revealed in these Twitter files, was that there's seven users. [07:20] that the Supreme Court Justice wanted to ban. And the Twitter files reveals who these seven users are and what they've done. Is it similar in Brazil as it is the US where you have Supreme Court justices that are politically leaning towards the right or to the left and then their decisions are sort of baked in their political beliefs? I believe so. I think so. And do you know where Damaris sits? I'd say he's on the left. So there's basically seven users that he wanted to

[07:50] information, but like on the extreme side of the fence. And, uh, [07:56] Musk didn't want to ban these seven accounts. Okay. And it's now escalated to the point where the reason that they've officially banned Twitter in Brazil is kind of administrative, like they didn't have a legal representative in Brazil. It's like kind of in a detail legal thing, but the crux of it is from... [08:15] these seven users and the banning of these seven users and [08:19] brazil supreme court guy wanted them to must said no and then now here we are where all of brazil is so crazy that is so insane and stupid so stupid and i that's that's honestly kind of been the the [08:33] consensus around it is [08:35] No one really thought Elon Musk would go through with it because it's so dumb and it's like cutting off. What's the phrase where it's like cutting off your arm to spite your. [08:44] nose or something like that where it's like you're willing to lose 40 million insane people for for the seven folks musk has been on a tear he's like i will not there's like a bible verse about leaving the one behind [09:01] I don't remember it. [09:04] He will not leave the one behind or the seven. [09:07] He will not. He will not. And it's a matter of principle for him. I don't think there's anything that I'm that principled about. [09:17] Fair enough. Fair enough. Elon Musk has been.

[09:21] you know, posting away. Insufferable. Insufferable. Evil tyrant. You're censoring. Do you mute him or are you engaged? I'm not engaged. I'm not engaged. But you don't mute him. I don't get his stuff. [09:33] So I've never had cause to. Do you? I've recently been getting his stuff. I don't know if I started following. I never used to see anything from him. And then recently I've been getting it. [09:42] like a lot of stuff from him. And honestly, my experience of it is if it weren't him, I would be like, [09:49] this person is like not well like you know totally and even it being him i'm like this person is not well but like the experience of it is like [09:59] adjacent to like [10:01] your weird uncle who is quote tweeting stuff that you're like what is that from even from totally and so i don't feel a need to like mute him because i'm just like i feel a journalistic responsibility to understand the zeitgeist yeah i understand but it's not fun like it's not like [10:18] Totally. [10:19] It's just annoying. It's like watching a train wreck. [10:21] yeah exactly there's a famous meme come to Brazil [10:25] Yes, you love this. I love it's so funny and it basically originates from artists and and musicians in particular Brazil isn't [10:35] a place that a lot of them go it's like expensive to tour there it's hard to tour there it's a big country as you're saying like i'm laughing because this is probably the third time you've explained this on this podcast like and and we've done 160 episodes and like three episodes explaining one topic is actually a significant i'm in my lane okay i'm in my lane this is it's important it's good context it's important come to Brazil and now it's like a thing in a joke where you say come to

[11:05] comment that on different like Ariana Grande's every post that she does come to Brazil because she's Brazilian flags Brazilian flags she's not gonna she's not gonna probably not gonna tour in Brazil because of all these reasons it's logistically challenging and they're like come come come and I'd say the other thing about Brazil is that they love live music like love it love it love it love obsessed with it so it's a rabid fan base and they want they're hungry for the hungry hungry for it [11:35] been a deluge of fandom accounts that have now been revealed to be Brazilian admins behind the fandom accounts. Whoa, that's huge. And... [11:45] There's some that are like Ariana Grande Brazil or whatever, and those are obvious that they're like goodbye forever. But there are others that you're like, oh, this was run by a Brazilian. And it's honestly like... [11:56] There's a huge laundry list. And it's basically people have been posting. The reason it's all been revealed is people have been posting hashtag ultimate tweet, like my final tweet. And then there's like all these posts where people are saying like my final tweet. And it's like Doja Cat stats or like... [12:13] Bruno Mars updates or Diana Argon. Do you know who she is? She's like, whatever. She's this actress, like random people where there's been some fandom that's been set up around this person. I feel sad for them. I know. They build these accounts. Was the... [12:28] ban immediate like right now today or i think there was like one day is noticed wow okay and then what's the what's the path what's gonna happen i don't know it's unclear yeah okay wow it's unclear what's gonna happen the other piece of this is that there were half a million blue sky

[12:45] signups this weekend. Do you know Blue Sky? Wow. [12:49] Yeah, yeah, Blue Sky, Jack Dorsey's Twitter clone that then he left. Former Twitter clone, yeah. So people were looking to migrate. None of the Web3 social teams took advantage of that. And honestly, Dan from Farkaster did a post that was like... Come to Brazil. He should have. Honestly. That would have hit so hard. No, he did a post that was like, for everyone saying that we should be courting the people who are leaving another social platform, like, that's not how it works. You need to build long-term value and then people will, like, come naturally. [13:19] want them coming like on their own. These are unprecedented times. [13:22] Exactly. And I'm also like, yeah, you do that and you take advantage of opportunities when they happen. And of course, you have to make a great product. Find a parade and get in front. [13:29] Here's your parade. None of the Web3 social, I didn't hear a peep about it. [13:34] is like, [13:34] Honestly, makes me really deeply bearish on this industry that it's like this is an opportunity. Just step into it. Of course, build a great product that people will want to use long term and like find value. And there's never been a more clear use case for why it matters. Web through social. And also that and also switching costs are so high. [13:54] for these big accounts why would you ever go to another platform except for if you have to and like this is a moment so anyway that's an aside love to end on a high note okay well come to brazil yeah [14:09] okay so we're gonna talk about world liberty financial here are the contours of it for the past weeks maybe even months donald trump and his sons have kind of been teasing that there is like a crypto project that they're working on or that they're going to back and it's been unclear what that project is going to be in addition to djt coin or instead of or like a more official version

[14:39] So I would say that that's like a meme coin that like maybe his family are involved in, but like that's never been officially sanctioned. Got it. So this would be like, okay, a more official endorsement of a crypto project. Hard, hard launch. [14:51] Hard launch. And then basically Trump starts putting some marketing materials on Truth Social about a project that initially was called The Defiant Ones and then was rebranded to World Liberty Financial. [15:06] and in the marketing material, it's like put the power of finance back in the hands of the people. [15:11] So that sort of starts to end of August come together. People start following this Twitter account. And then this week a lot came to light because a few things happened. [15:22] One, the white paper for World Liberty Financial was leaked. So what the project is became clearer. Donald Trump... [15:30] and family and co more officially endorsed it. And there were some... [15:36] Attempts at pump and dumps. So... [15:39] gangs all here the holy trinity the holy journey so we're going to talk about what actually it is and then we're going to talk about the concerns that people have around it okay [15:50] so the defy project that is built on ave and ethereum [15:54] and it wants to drive the adoption of stable coins and the project includes a credit account system those are a few things that are happening built to facilitate decentralized borrowing and lending is what i'm reading okay yesterday had a twitter thread with a lot more information about the project because there was a lot of as you can imagine a lot of misinformation going around and around on it and with the scams and pump and dump attempts all sorts of stuff yeah so here are some

[16:24] history shows those don't work we're working with ave collaborating to create a platform that sets new standards and pushes all of d5 forward this is a partnership to build something truly transformative they go on to say we want us pegged stable coins to remain the world's settlement layer for the next 100 years the us dollar has been the backbone of the global financial system for decades but it's now under attack by foreign nation states by spreading us pegged stable coins around the world we ensure that the us dollar's dominance continues securing america's [16:54] leadership and influence on the global stage. One thing that didn't make me laugh is that there was this [16:59] thread that they published and then... World Financial Coin. [17:03] World financial... [17:06] world liberty financial got a knack for naming things go ahead and one of the first replies with like a ton of activity on it was it's a mistake building on ethereum and i'm just like shut the fuck up like honestly you're so annoying everybody in our industry is so annoying just like annoying oh anyway that's just an aside another big aspect to this is that there is a governance token [17:30] WLFI, that's what it's called. And this will allow their owners to participate in the management of the project. They'll be able to vote, suggest new additions to the DeFi lending market, and what blockchains to integrate, [17:45] There's a lot of speculation and talk around... [17:48] why and how the structure of that white paper with the tokens and the allocation of the tokens

[17:56] strategically is being done to get around security laws which of course they would be thinking about and that slides me into some concerns that people have based on the leaking of this white paper are we tracking so far [18:10] totally okay so the first thing is that the documents and other reporting from these documents talking about this defi lending protocol is very similar to another [18:22] protocol that was called Doe Finance. And Doe Finance is a dApp that was hacked, I believe, last month. And it seems like a big part of that team has come over to work on this project. And so there's a lot of concern around their... [18:39] security efficiency and if that project was hacked, how this project won't get hacked. One thing I just have to say here, it just is incredible in this industry how people can fail forward up [18:50] Up, fail up. [18:52] Oh, [18:53] It's remarkable. [18:55] Remarkable. It really feels like... [18:59] unique to crypto how often people just fail keep failing up up up but anyway keep going well you know i'm gonna take that as a positive just if any if this whole boys club thing just [19:09] just goes down in flames. [19:12] That only means good things for both of us, apparently. That is a great way to look at it. Keep going. Okay, another concern is that 70% of the governance tokens are being allocated to founding team members and 70%. 70%. And so for listeners, and those who aren't in crypto, that is a crazy high percentage of allocation to

[19:36] original team some of the articles that i pulled here talked about how compared it to eth and cardona and ether there was 16.6 percent of the initial tokens were allocated to founding team token allocation essentially so it's three four five whatever many times more that's crazy i don't know part of me is like i'm not naive enough at this point in my life to think that projects like this don't have very smart people [20:05] who are puppet mastering, [20:07] what's going on behind the scenes. And... [20:10] That is true of this project. Like, it must be. Because... [20:15] There's too much money. There's too much potential power. Like we're literally talking about the Republican... [20:20] candidate for the president [20:22] of this very country. Like someone's thinking about this. And my [20:28] thinking is like yeah of course they're gonna do that like they don't want this to be a decentralized organization that that's not what any of these people are gonna want they're going to want this to be incredibly centralized and have a tight grip on exactly what's happening with this project especially if he becomes president and especially if it's successful like i think that the counter to that would be that that kind of flies in the face of like what defi [20:51] can do totally it stands for and like the principles of defy and [20:57] Those are some concerns. The initial team, there's four members from this Doe team that have come over. And then a big part of their Twitter thread post this leak was...

[21:07] Of the white paper and all these publications talking about it was them... [21:11] talking about who they're bringing on from a security perspective that is going to ensure that this is a legitimate project and stuff like that. I just ignore all that because I'm like, nothing has any credibility to me at all anymore. Like it just doesn't matter to me. And so anyway, I'm sure someone somewhere thinks that it's super important and maybe it is, but personally, whatever. Okay. Then here are some takes that [21:33] People have Nick Carter... [21:35] You know that guy. [21:36] mustache pro trumper uh pro trump okay big pro trump so he's pro trump and his take is this he posted this on twitter yesterday [21:47] Is there something that we... [21:48] Is there something that we as crypto Twitter can collectively do to stop the launch of world Liberty coin? I think it's genuinely damages Trump's electoral prospects, especially if it gets hacked. It'll be the juiciest DeFi target ever. And it's forked from a protocol that itself was hacked. It's also an obvious target for the SEC. At best, it's an unnecessary distraction. At worst, it's a huge embarrassment and source of additional legal trouble. So are we signing a petition or what? Also hilarious. Yeah. Petition is really going to be the thing that unlocks [22:18] So that's the take from some pro-Trump crypto influencers is like, [22:23] this is a distraction, this is surface area for risk, this is going to get hacked, this is gonna make the industry look worse as something really public [22:32] gets [22:33] hacked or has a bad rep again in this industry so that's some take that i've seen i think obviously people who are liberals who work in crypto hate it because it continues to solidify trump as the pro crypto candidate um and a lot of the messaging that i saw from trump was about that he's endorsing this project specifically but it's all part of a narrative for him around being the pro crypto

[23:03] I don't understand why he would do it. I don't understand why they would do it. [23:08] It just seems like, I mean, to Nick's point, though, we're coming at it from a different perspective. [23:12] I'm not pro-Trump, but if I were... [23:15] If I were Trump, it just seems like the risk [23:19] feels disproportionate to the potential reward. But that's Trump. [23:24] the risk always feels disproportionate to the potential reward. Totally. And then sometimes he becomes president of the United States. Okay. Like ideologically, I, I, [23:32] am not a republican. [23:34] And I am not, I am a Democrat and I'm a liberal. [23:39] I now work in an industry where my livelihood... [23:43] is directly tied to... [23:47] my livelihood and honestly like the flourishing of the industry that i work in [23:52] is directly tied to somebody that I hate. Like if Trump wins, it will benefit us. I'll literally make more money next year if Trump wins. Yeah. Like because there will be an influx of capital that comes from Trump winning and it feels really bizarre. It just feels tough and a lot of people feel this way in much, much, much, much, much, much more difficult circumstances than me. I'm in a privileged position around my circumstances 100%. But there is like a direct [24:16] ideological [24:17] conflict [24:19] in my life around what will directly benefit me in my business with what my actual beliefs are around the world. And I feel like this project and, um, [24:29] Trump and this election, like it's [24:31] crazy how much that has brought that to the surface in such a crystallized way. It's not like gray. The main issue that I have is Trump is only going to do what serves him. And he's self interested. And I don't trust.

[24:44] anything about him. [24:45] I do know that there has to be smart people around him who are thinking about how this impacts their bags and [24:53] So it's interesting to see what will happen with this project. I wouldn't say it's guaranteed that Trump winning would benefit. No. [25:00] It's totally not. The crypto industry. I think certainly there'll be a bump. [25:04] but I don't know that like past [25:07] four months, six months. [25:09] when things start to not materialize in the way that people wanted it to. I don't know that [25:14] it would be sustainable. So I think like it's not a foreground conclusion that it would. That's true. I think like it's just like more likely. I think so. Yeah. Then I think then Kamala. And then Laura Trump. [25:26] Laura or Lara? [25:28] I don't know. Laura Trump? Laura Trump? A wife? [25:32] uh i think one of the wives next wife okay can't can't recall there's so many of those blonde ladies just bopping around and tiffany trump both were hacked [25:42] and Pump and Dump was tried to push through their channels. So we're [25:46] On track. [25:48] on message everybody's hitting their notes exactly right so yeah that's definitely going to happen it's not even like that interesting to talk about like and then how they're distributing information which i do think is kind of interesting based on our story last week is a telegram group there's 200 000 people in this telegram group it's like a distribution channel for them and it's where they're posting updates about their messaging what's happening their advisors when there's a

[26:18] that I'm now, I guess, in just for hanging out. [26:23] Just hanging out. Me and my people. [26:26] In the... [26:27] World what's this thing called again? [26:30] World Liberty Financial Telegram Group. [26:33] I'm like, hey, guys. A safe space. Safe space. Official Trump DeFi channel is the subheader of it. So that's the story. I would love to know what I got that seems not exactly correct. And thank you to the many people who wrote about this that helped me get up to speed. [26:53] Thank you. [26:54] It's time for a more open, inclusive, and transparent financial system. A system that serves nearly everyone, everywhere, all the time. That's why we love today's sponsor, Kraken. Kraken is a crypto platform that provides a super simple on-ramp to the world of crypto with a 24-7 support team. Crypto transcends physical and imaginary borders. No matter where you are, you can send funds easily and quickly to almost any part of the world. Plus, forget about waiting times and waiting lines. You can send, receive, and trade crypto anywhere near instantly. [27:24] be at kraken.com backslash boys club not investment advice crypto trading involves risk of loss and is offered to us customers through payward interactive inc no third party transfers available okay the robot thing okay we're gonna end really quickly with the robot thing i'm excited to hear did you see the video i did see the video okay so basically [27:46] There's this video that went viral last week, which was

[27:49] this robot guy, a humanoid robot. Wait, humanoid? What is that? Oid? That's what they're calling it, humanoid robot. [27:57] Like a human-like robot. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. So wait, it was an actual robot? It was an actual robot. Yeah. No, it wasn't. It looked like a man. Yeah, it was. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, 100% I thought that was a man in a suit. Like, I was like, this is... [28:14] this is like it reminded me of like our indiegogo days where someone's like we're building a robot and like they put a guy in a suit and do a promotional video of a campaign totally totally whoa throwback um no it was really a robot and the reason for the listener that natasha had this experience is because first of all you should go watch a video right now but um it's it's man-sized the robot's man-sized it's huge it's it's honestly bigger than most men i would [28:44] Basically the video that went viral is the robot walks over, picks up a backpack, [28:51] that's on the floor and hands it to a woman. [28:54] She takes the backpack and then they end with like a side hug. [28:58] And then the robot waves to the camera. It's a really weird video. Honestly, it's a really weird video. It's dystopian. It's very weird. And they're in what is clearly some sort of set that they rented. It's budget. It feels budget also. Yeah. And the music is kind of creepy. And the whole thing is just feels... [29:16] misguided and also the fact that the robot just picks up a backpack it's like what of all the things to demo in that moment like picking up a backpack off so anyway that's the video that went viral it's a company called one x this product is called neo beta humanoids for the home is what they're pegging it as this is a beta launch so it's clearly they're they're just

[29:46] Couldn't be me. Could not be me. There were some other videos that they were released to sort of show the dexterity and skill of the robot brewing coffee, [29:55] picking up a little egg and handing it to the woman as she's cooking. That's cool. Cleaning wine glasses for the dishwasher. [30:02] It can lift things up to 44 pounds. So that was part of the sort of backpack demo. Backpack demo. One thing that sets Neo apart from other robots, I guess, is that it doesn't use hydraulics, like rigid hydraulics. So have you seen like the Boston Robotics video? So those always go viral because they're crazy. It's like a robotic dog and it is like... [30:22] attacking someone or something, something creepy that uses a hydraulic thing. And this Neo has a [30:32] movement so like you can see it walking and it's many years away but it is in the same [30:37] thread as the Westworld style robot. [30:41] Many, many, many. Lifetimes, potentially. Years away from that. But it's sort of the infant of that technology. A couple other things in the story that is honestly super weird. Well, first, it's powered by OpenAI. OpenAI invested in their fundraising round. So they raised $100 million from folks, including OpenAI. Honestly, $100 million feels like it would go in like three or four days. For robot stuff? Totally. Yeah, robot stuff. I'm like, they're buying parts. Like, it's hardware. [31:11] I totally agree. Although I will say that the monetization strategy is pretty incredible. So right now they're selling for $120,000. But that's basically for people who are like super into it and like just want to do it and you know, whatever. Elon Musk will buy one and have it. But when it comes time for mass production, they're talking about it being the price of a newer used car.

[31:34] So that's kind of the relationship you'll have to it. Pre-COVID or post? Because those are two very different realities. And that there'll be subscription payments. So there's a very robust pipeline of revenue coming their way should they figure it out, which I think is a big if. But that's kind of the relationship that they want you to think about having with your humanoid robot is like you're buying a car, basically. It's like that type of expense and experience. [32:04] it's chat one of the things that they're really proud of is that the robot can use non-verbal communication so like a nod or a glance it can kind of pick up that's kind of great you're like passive aggressive so like why are you being a bitch but the weird thing which honestly like of course makes a ton of sense but also is creepy is that it has what i heard referred to as hive mind awareness so all of the robots are are connected talking shit about you to each other [32:34] information and they're all sharing information and they're like man it's the girly group chat on steroids it is it is unfortunately and that's it that's crazy it's weird they're looking for the chat gpt moment for human yeah they are aren't we all [32:50] this is a crazy story you know what it reminds me of you know this meme format is like really continues to just like live on and i see it on twitter where there's this picture it's a headline that's a screenshot and it's a man in bed with a woman who is a woman but like looks ex machina-esque like it's not that but it's like you could tell she's like robotic in some way and it's like human robots and

[33:16] It's some sexual innuendo about like human robots will be here in 2025. And this was like an article from... [33:23] 25. [33:24] 30 years ago and people are now reposting it and they're like four more months like three more like counting down to this fake reality and it kind of [33:33] Lives in this same era. Sure does. One of the tweets I saw, like, pretty... [33:39] much like underneath the launch tweet was for $120,000. I hope it comes with a dick or something like that. So basically speaking exactly to that. [33:51] I hate that so much. I hate that so much. So that's Neo. That's Neo. [34:21] Tickets are going fast, so get yours now at meridian.stellar.org. Oh, I have a draft tweet. Okay. Okay. I was told by Miranda I can't. She said, no, she said, I wouldn't. I know which tweet you're about to tell me. You circulated it in the group chat. I wouldn't either, but I think it's a safe place to do it here. It's also quite fitting with what I've talked about today. It's all in the same family, literally. So it's a quote tweet.

[34:50] of... [34:51] a New York Post article that Barron Trump arrives at NYU for first day at college. [34:57] some paparazzi shots of him arriving on campus. And then I quote tweet it and say, Chalamet's chlamydia rampage walked so Barron's could run. [35:10] And I think people said, don't tweet it. I don't know, maybe because it's sexually explicit. I don't know. It's a dunk on this poor young man whom I don't know who could be a nice guy. He's done, you know, he was born into something. [35:27] the lore. [35:29] That's my take. [35:31] You have to know the lore of Chalamet's chlamydia rumors. I think the reason why... Rumors? That's generous of you. It's not... [35:40] I don't know. Substantiated. I don't know. Talking about other people's health issues feels like it's maybe important. Yes. Yeah. Well, you asked. Totally. Totally. Poor taste is that's a tough one to come back from. Miranda saying I wouldn't is the most efficient way to say it. [36:02] Yeah. Like, it's not don't. It's just like, I wouldn't. And then you're like, oh, if you wouldn't, I shouldn't. [36:09] Okay, what's yours? It's a photo of Nicole Kidman post-divorce walking out of the courtroom feeling relieved. It's like a montage of four of the photos. And the text is, "I've stopped listening to tech podcasts on my morning walk." Oh, I like that one. It's honestly, it's true.

[36:31] wow it's a real sense of relief i've just been like listening music and walking around and like looking at nature it's so great it's so nice and not hearing some man just tell you how the world is talking shit yeah in my ears yeah [36:43] with the most annoying podcast voice in the world. I don't need that. You do not need that. Yeah. I also, I don't, I've been all up in the music and what a wonderful experience of life. Totally. Totally. Okay.