Too Dumb to DAO

[00:00] We're live. We're live. Here we are. Okay. So I thought about some names. [00:05] Okay. [00:06] The first one is we could just call it Boys Club. [00:10] Yeah. Continuity. [00:12] Yeah. Media brand brand is strong. The other option is [00:18] Name a woman. [00:19] My boys club, which I think feels fun. And when Blake... [00:26] who will be on the pod later today. And I were at East Denver. [00:31] Everywhere we went, I was just like, name a woman, name a woman. And then any call I get on with the dude. [00:36] Not any calls, some calls with dudes. Any, many. [00:39] Many, many, like my call yesterday, who was a, he was a lovely man. He's, he's a good person. He's not a bad person, but he was like. [00:47] Literally just naming women he knows after I told him about boys. Like you don't need to do this. [00:54] It's so funny. Cause for me, like, I don't even think about the woman thing anymore. I'm like, we're just, we're just, it's just like, [01:02] I don't know. It just doesn't, it's not even about that at this point for me. Do you notice, I don't even notice it. I'm like, it's just, this is where we hang out. And it's just like, this just happens to be all women. [01:13] Thank you. [01:14] It... [01:15] It's just because it's for us. So then we don't think about it. And then when I have a call with someone who's like, all of a sudden I'm feeling a guy who's like feeling guilty. I'm like, it's not you don't need to feel guilty. It's totally cool. No guilt. It's not about you. Actually, that's the problem. Hello, I'm Natasha Hoskins. I'm Dina Burke. And this is boys club. Wait, is it just boys club? It's just boys club. The boys club podcast. No, no.

[01:42] Just boys club. [01:44] Okay. Dina what's boys club. [01:46] Boys Club is a social club. [01:48] and it's a community. [01:50] And I think, [01:51] Its primary function is to [01:54] onboard women to Web3. [01:58] and [01:59] How are we doing that? Like, [02:00] All the parties, all the parties, parties. [02:04] Discord, we make it bearable. [02:07] and curriculum. [02:09] And now a podcast. [02:10] First, what we're going to talk about [02:12] is what's going on in our DAO this week. [02:16] So if you don't know, [02:18] Boys Club is on its way to becoming a DAO. We're a proto-DAO. We're... [02:25] laying the foundation for what this thing becomes. Um, [02:30] many, in many ways, thanks to C-Club. [02:33] and the excited, um, [02:38] We're in a Dow Accelerator called Z Club, and they're all so smart. [02:43] So a Dow... [02:45] is, it stands for Decentralized Autonomous Organization. One note I do want to put in here is that the word autonomous in... [02:54] the context of the work that Natasha and I are doing is hilarious. Comical. Very, very comical. It's truly comical because... [03:01] Honestly, [03:02] There has never been a more human exercise for me personally than, I mean, maybe raising my kids, but like it's, it's the, the tending to the Tao is so hard.

[03:16] human. We're managing humans working together, their emotions and feelings, which we love to tend to, but there's nothing autonomous about boys club. Zero. So basically you can think about a [03:33] group chat with a shared bank account and you have like a shared mission a shared vision that collectively you are working together [03:41] on and you are trying to move that mission along [03:46] with the flywheel effect of a larger network, because there's this idea of like shared ownership in this entity. So if you're feeling lost, just think if you're one of your group chats, had a shared bank account, and you guys decided you wanted to do X with that, [04:01] shared bank account, and then you're all trying to do it. And... [04:05] What that ends up meaning is that you have all of these people with all these amazing ideas and feelings and thoughts. [04:13] trying to work together and wow it can be really really really hard yeah especially when you are [04:20] A. [04:22] incredibly type A controlling person. Like it's harder for you than it is for me. But I think one reason why, well, the main reason why we want Boys Cup to be a DAO and we're committed to it being a DAO is because, [04:37] of this idea of shared ownership. Like more than anything else, it's about like we want to create something that...

[04:46] Um, [04:47] we can all own and all share on the upside of. Like that felt really important as we were thinking about what Boys Club is and what it becomes. Like this idea that... [04:59] We all stand to benefit. [05:01] If it succeeds, [05:03] is what we want. And that's, that is what keeps us [05:08] like persevering through the, frankly, like mud that we're waiting through right now to figure it all out. I think also, I think it's one of the other things for me is like, it's what got me interested in crypto in, or yeah, like interested in the first place or light bulb for me in the first place, because something like this, where you have this shared ownership and collective work that you're doing is made possible because of the, [05:34] The blockchain. Here are two things that I didn't realize before starting it out. [05:40] roast me, please ask me anything. I did not realize that it was not legal. [05:44] That's the first thing. Did not realize it was not a legal entity. You can get into that. So did not realize that. And the second thing that I didn't realize was... [05:56] Um, [05:58] I guess like how much it's what's intrinsic to the stat, to the, to the Dow structure is this idea of shared governance, like shared ownership. Yes. And that's something that like, we really want and we really believe in. And then there's this idea of shared governance, which is sort of the flip side of it that we're all deciding, um, [06:13] we're all making decisions on behalf of the DAO. We're all sharing in sort of the power of making those decisions. And I think that like that part of it,

[06:21] I wasn't very present to. And that's been a real like learning curve for me because I, [06:27] I like Natasha and I both come from like early stage startups, crappy land where we're just like ducking and dive in, like moving and like sticking and moving and as agile as possible. And with the Dow, [06:41] format, [06:43] I will say that it has felt like profoundly inefficient at times where you need to... [06:51] because of this need to create a structure, a process so that everyone can, [06:58] feed into decisions that [07:00] I don't know. I don't know. Participate. And, but I, and like, I recognize the need and the value for that long-term for this Dow, but yeah, [07:09] In this like early stage, it feels like, man, tough. That feels real tough. I get very confronted by it on a daily basis around life. [07:16] Yeah. The governance stuff. And I know you do. Oh man. Totally. I mean, yeah, [07:21] Mm-hmm. [07:22] So vulnerably, what I keep coming back to is can't we just... Vulnerably? [07:29] I don't think that's a word. [07:30] Vulnerably. [07:31] Yeah. Okay, okay. Right? [07:34] I think so. Okay. Well, we can check later. But... [07:39] I... [07:41] Yeah, I don't think I believe in like as much of a shared governance structure as most DAOs do. And I... [07:48] That's that's doesn't mean that's what boys club is going to be, but yeah,

[07:52] I'm like, can't we just do like sort of an atypical DAO where everybody's sharing in the upside, but there's decision makers everywhere. [08:02] that make the decision. Just make a quick shout out to Parker, who's been separating the Dow process up until this point and has been a real angel and just like, [08:14] just teaching us about like, she's, she's done this before. She's seen the show before and just really keeping us honest about like, [08:24] what we're doing here. So just shout out to totally. [08:26] it's a combination of [08:29] Legal ambiguity. Again, these are not legal structures, DAOs. [08:35] So it's a combination of this like, [08:38] really [08:40] weird legal ambiguity. Plus, [08:44] a frontier of technology that I have just the loosest grasp on. [08:51] as it stands, right? Like I'm like barely getting by on like understanding how the tech all works. [08:57] works and fits together and token. So a Dow in the phase that we're in is it's the intersection of these two things. And so I'm on these calls with these, these people who are so kind and have so much patience with me and are so nice, like shout out to the Dow house guys. [09:13] Angels. And I am like understanding every third word. And I'm like, I just, I honestly don't feel like I have enough brain cells. You do. You 1000% do. But like, why? Because you do. We,

[09:28] I just don't know. I don't know. This is why it's important that you were doing this because, okay. So for some explanation, I'm just going to keep explaining things so that people feel like they can keep up. So Dow's you've got it. You've got a shared bank account with your friends. [09:44] then there's this whole emergence of... [09:47] Because DAOs have like exploded in the last six months in the crypto landscape. So now you have this whole emergence of DAO tooling, which is essentially better tools to be able to execute on whatever it is that your shared vision is to track contribution, to make sure shared ownership is... [10:06] I don't know. [10:07] part of it, um, to figure out the structure of it. And depending on your doubt, you have all of these options of the tools that you should be integrating to make your life easier. So if you think about it in like a web two world, how you use like air table or Salesforce, or all of these different tools to like move your business along that aren't your actual business, but enable whatever you're doing, that's what's happening with doubt tooling, but it's really hard for [10:30] DAOs who are in an emergent style. [10:34] of execution, which we are to figure out what tools they need and what's just over engineering a problem that doesn't actually exist for us. So that's the, the. [10:44] waters you're waiting in right now, [10:46] and I guess we're both in, but like you're doing this more with Parker. [10:51] And I think that's why it's important that we're doing it because it can't just be like big brain people thinking about how DAOs are formed and how power is distributed. And it's important that these things become more digestible for people who want to, you

[11:05] build interesting things in Web3 and... [11:09] I wasn't on that call with the Jav house guys, but I imagine that it's like, [11:13] There's some translating between the world that they're living in every day, like how they're building and thinking about it to their customers and consumers. And because it's so early, there's a lot more work on the front end of the customer to sort through the waters because... [11:31] They haven't been able to streamline that stuff. [11:33] Would you say that that's accurate? Yeah, I'd say that that's accurate. Um, [11:38] I loved your explanation of Dow tooling, the Dow tooling landscape. Wow, thank you. Thank you. Come a long way, Natasha. Wow, I've come so far since September. [11:49] So let's talk a little bit about... [11:52] how we've been thinking about the formation of, [11:56] Boys club as a, as a legal entity. So it's not an illegal entity. It's not a legal entity. It's just somewhere in the middle. I think, I think we're calling this first section [12:20] the feelings check in. [12:22] Okay, great. Should we explain? So Dina and I have been business partners for many years. [12:27] And also very good, dare I say, best friends for a long time. [12:34] And, um, a lot of people are like, wow, you guys really, really work well together. How has that happened through like failures and wins? Like it's not just been just fun stuff. And we attribute the success of our relationship to what we call the feelings check-in, which is essentially the.

[12:51] Anytime. [12:52] Any sort of feeling comes up good, bad, bad. [12:56] Happy, sad. [12:57] We talk about it with each other. I'm having a feeling right now. What's the feeling? I'm feeling like emotional. That was so kind. [13:06] Well, that's a good, that's also like really PMSing like in a major, like more so than I've ever PMS before in my life. So I think just emotions are very high. Feelings are high, high feeling moment. [13:20] Um, okay. So we've had all these conversations with all these different people to try to figure out the legal structure of not even the legal structure, just like, [13:28] the structure, the equity, the formation of the Dow. And that has been so challenging and really stressful, honestly, because it's felt like [13:40] We have all these people who are wonderful and wonderful. [13:44] working hard and trying to understand what they do, [13:49] their role in a more tangible way and looking to us to give them those answers and us truly not knowing what the best path is. [13:59] and not feeling really stressful on the other side of it what i've also felt is [14:05] It's been really hard to realize [14:09] How with a doubt instead of us owning it and we are giving out, [14:15] to five, 25, whatever percentages to all these different stakeholders, it's flipped and you

[14:23] When you summon a DAO or start a DAO, you... [14:28] are basically saying all of this is owned by the government. [14:34] community of people participating in the DAO first. [14:38] And then you get to decide. [14:40] the founders, the contributors, the core team, [14:44] Get... [14:45] parts of that get ownership and delved out ownership. And that was the most surprising thing for me after starting it down, after being six months into a Dow, I had a light bulb moment of like, Oh, I don't. [14:57] don't get a lot of this at the end of it. And I, [15:01] When you... [15:03] are working as hard as we're working. [15:05] and you're coming from a web two world, it is really hard to reconcile that. And, [15:12] to [15:13] have [15:14] feeling like there's some feelings that come up around how much of this is being distributed [15:20] to the community. And [15:24] I don't know, like that there's been parts of that that have been hard. And I'm curious if that [15:28] has you felt that? [15:30] Yeah. I don't think I felt it as potently as you have, because I do think that... [15:37] There are... [15:39] Thank you. [15:40] I feel like we've seen so many tangible benefits to it being a community owned thing. Yeah. Like, for example, there's a team of. [15:50] I don't know, I want to call it at this point, like 15 people, 20 people.

[15:54] Yeah. [15:55] that are our contributors or a combination of contributors and core team that are like [16:02] working really hard on this thing. And you and I have both... [16:06] done startups before. Like, [16:08] to get people to do anything like in our last startups, like was next to impossible. And like, [16:16] that feels like a small miracle. And I think is only possible with this structure. Yeah. And, and people from all types of different backgrounds, there's, [16:26] engineers, there's product managers, there's designers, there's community people, there's legal minds. Like it's, it's truly incredible. The, the quantity and caliber of, you know, [16:38] human who's come to rally around boys club and to contribute to it. And, um, um, [16:45] And that's... [16:47] been really... [16:49] special to see every time we get on one of those calls, [16:52] And that I think would not have... It's not possible if we were like, okay, Boys Club is a C Corp. Yeah. Wholly owned by Natasha Hoskins and Dina Burke. And like, we're going to pay you guys. Like, we're going to... [17:05] Yeah, I totally, I totally agree with you. I don't want to be like misheard in that. I don't think it's incredible and there's no way we could do what we're doing without these people, but yeah. [17:15] it. [17:16] When it's, you know, [17:17] 1030 at night and I'm trying to get through something after already working my full-time job. I'm like, why am I doing this? That feeling does come up. Totally. And,

[17:25] I think that it's just... [17:28] being honest about that is like important. If people are thinking about starting it down, just sign up to the DM at some point and I'll, we'll talk about it. Great. Well, I feel like we really got through some feelings there. Is there anything else that you want to get off your chest? I mean, I just want to make sure that I don't come off. Like I am a fucking asshole on this because I want to own more of it. So, and you're like an angel and like, all these people are incredible who are helping us. [17:58] so i want to introduce blake blake finucan is um the guardian angel [18:09] of boys club our closest advisor oh she is just the star of the show um i met blake [18:16] I was crying. [18:19] I was crying because I had a failing startup. And Blake is an angel that just... [18:25] was witness to me and listened and, and helped me through that two hours where I felt like a total imposter and a total, just nothing. And there was a lot of tears, a lot of emotions. And just ever since then, Blake has been just, uh, a star, a star in my life. I got a text from Dina being like, [18:45] Things are looking up. I found a friend. [18:48] And little did we know, we'd all just be in love with each other. So Blake, just a little background on our friend here. She is just like one of those like smart academic, like big brain, like we were talking about at the start of the show. She's one of those very, very smart people in crypto. Comes from...

[19:09] an academic art historian, [19:12] and has found her way to the NFT D-Gen lifestyle that she lives now. The pipeline from art historian to NFT D-Gen is strong. Apparently Blake's living it. She's living proof that it works. She leads many funds. [19:31] She's the leader of many, many funds at this point and is one of the most impressive women [19:38] I know, and is one of the most impressive women in Boys Club in just this sort of scale of [19:44] I mean, I'm going to say, I'm going to use like the scale of money that she has under management. Like that's like the technical way of looking at it. But like, I think more than that, she's impressive because of her just like wide grasp of, [20:00] and deep understanding of the culture of [20:03] crypto and NFT and web three and, um, is just her. I mean, I could just go to her. I could keep going. Hi Blake. Hi Blake. That's the kindest, most beautiful intro ever. And you know, I, uh, [20:19] Just... [20:20] I like that it has to do with crying as well. It's like one of the things that we brought up is just like a crying episode. Yeah, it's on brand. When a Gemini and a Pisces come together, it just happens in the most beautiful way. So we're good. We're rooted in crying. So happy to have you here. Thank you for having me. We're going to use that academic...

[20:40] big brain to solve some very stupid tweets that I can't figure out. So this is a section of our pod called explain the tweet. And we're starting with it. We're starting going there. Okay. Okay. Diving in immediately. Got it. Got it. Got it. First section. Here we are. Got it. And again, we're just, we're using the, [21:01] Academia. [21:03] to explain a tweet that you put out into the world. I think so. Yeah. So that explain this tweet. This is our format here. I'm going to actually read out the tweet and then I'm going to [21:14] I'm going to give a sense for where we're at coming in and then we can have Blake start to explain. So Blake Finucane dot ETH on Twitter dot com. [21:25] 17, 2022. OK, at Justin Bieber must be so happy about the ape. [21:32] ticker. I guess I have to explain. It has like a dollar sign, an ape [21:38] So it's searchable, you know, you got to get those searches, those hits up. [21:43] Must be so happy about that ticker sign ape airdrop. [21:47] Natasha, what percentage of understanding are you at with this tweet? [21:53] Out of a hundred? Yeah, out of a hundred. [21:55] Um, okay. So I know who Justin Bieber is. I think that gets me 25. I think you're a fan of Justin Bieber as well. Huge. Yeah. You're a huge fan. Huge fan. I love him. Love him. Um, [22:07] And then I know that like ape is a, that, that with the, with this dollar sign means that we're talking about a token.

[22:14] So I think I'm like 50%, but then I don't. And then I imagine that has to do with, [22:23] Bored ape. [22:24] NFTs, but maybe I'm totally off based on that. Okay. So that's the world where an airdrop means that it's just, it's put in your wallet. So, okay. Okay. Actually, now that I'm talking about it, I'm starting to get some. So if you have a board ape, which is, [22:38] Blake does. Blake does. Bieber does. That's what this tweet's about, but Bieber has a 4-day. That's true. Yes. Okay, so Natasha's had a 75%. [22:47] Wow. Wow. I feel great about that for myself. I think you are. I think you are. I'm at, I'm at like a 90%. I think that I'm mixing, I'm missing some, [22:57] Um, I'm curious about the context of the drop, which I think is, is bedded into this tweet that I am not fully present to, but yeah, I'm at about a 90 Natasha's at a 50 Blake. [23:09] Yeah. You're assuming that all my tweets that I make, I'm at a hundred percent, which that's the like embedded assumption within this whole segment. So I will say that tweet was me trying to be really funny on Twitter and I'm so successful at it because everyone's LOLing what I have to say. So I'm quite funny. It did get two likes. And one of them is me. No, a lot of my stuff falls flat and I'm not sure why, but [23:39] That's a different issue. That's a different time. So the real, I guess, info for the tweet was the airdrop happened in the week. I know you're not supposed to reference when we're doing this. It happened in a week in March. And...

[23:55] if you were a Bored Ape holder, you got a percentage. So if you held a Bored Ape, you actually got, I think, over 10,000 Ape tokens that you could claim for holding a Bored Ape. Now, right now, the Ape token is... [24:11] trading at a [24:13] like huge premium. That's it's over like a hundred grand that you got, um, just for holding an ape. Basically, uh, you got over a hundred grand for that. If you held a mutant ape, you got about, now this is at current prices, of course. So this could change. What's the, can you give me the, off the top of your head, the token price? So a token price, I can, uh, you know what I'm going to do. And I know all you're going to pull up your wallet. No, no, no, no. I'm going to pull up the Canadian price. Excuse me. Oh, okay. Everyone cares about Canadian currency. So about, [24:43] Canadian. So that's probably like 15, $14 us. Okay. So, um, insane. Yeah. And then if you held a board, a kennel club dog, um, [24:54] um paired with your ape then you got an extra around 900 tokens if you held the board ape kennel club uh dog and you uh held a mutant then you got an extra like 800 tokens so my god there was real upside for holding all three in the single wallet but if you held the kennel club paired with um either one then you got a little bit of an up [25:17] Wow. So what about you? My joke with that is that Bieber must be so happy for making an extra $100,000.

[25:25] We're facetious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're JK. We're JK. We're kidding around. Oh, this is a fire tweet then. This is a really fire tweet. Thank you so much. I really hope that this pod drops and this tweet goes viral. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it will. Okay. So Blake, thank you so much for that. You're welcome. Super important, I know. [25:47] What I'd like to know a little bit more about is, so the internet freaked out about the ape drop this week. [25:54] Tell me a little bit why... [25:56] like why I was just, just could not escape the tweets around. Yeah. I mean, I think it's the biggest, most kind of like flawless execution that we've seen from a pure kind of web three company. Their first product was an NFT. Um, so when we look at how successful that they've been at their rollout, [26:19] It's it's basically being perfect. So what I mean by that is when they actually came out with the announcement of the ApeCoin, it's going to be part of a Dow structure. They came out with an entire kind of detailed white paper. [26:33] a vague roadmap, but still kind of promising what they're actually up to. And, you know, [26:40] the way that they've been able. So it also, as soon as the ape coin one announced, [26:45] It was also then going to go live on Coinbase, FTX, Binance, all the top exchanges. So again, the way that they were just, just the execution was really, really perfect. Their communication was perfect. They have a board, Alexis Ohanian is on it. Some really, really well-known, I don't want to say her name wrong. Name a woman. Name a woman. Exactly.

[27:11] Her first name's Amy and she's the head of gaming at FTX. So yeah, head of gaming at FTX. So in terms of the board in which is going to oversee the DAO until again, they kind of fully transitioned to a decentralized model. It's just been, sorry, what'd you say? I said, good luck. Cheers. Best regards. Like good for you. Happy that you're trying. Yeah. So when we look at a [27:41] There's a billion tokens. [27:43] that they're... [27:45] That's a lot of tokens and that equals a lot of money. [27:50] And again, if someone doesn't have an ape, a kennel or a mutant and they want to get exposure, now they can enter in to the ecosystem at, you know, a $17 price range. So 100 beans, I can buy... [28:05] For a yes, you can also be part of the pod where we have to make some sort of investment investment. No, absolutely not. Wait, wait, I do have a question for you, Blake. Okay. This is super helpful. And. [28:20] So... [28:21] all of the okay so there's all these tokens they have tokens out that are being [28:28] Is there like a treasury where all of the funds from all of these NFTs have gone into? And then they distributed a portion of those... [28:38] like of the treasury is allocated to token or how does that work? Do you know? Yeah. So, uh, how did though, I am not going to be able to rip off the top of my head, the exact numbers, but, uh, majority of the tokens are held in a eight Dow treasury in which they're going to be able to fund the ecosystem. People are going to be able to submit proposals, build on top of the actual meta worlds of, of eight. Um, and then a certain percentage,

[29:08] you. [29:08] ape kennel and mutant holders. Yeah. And then, [29:12] another percentage was allocated to, you know, [29:15] Coinbase, FTX, the big exchanges. Okay. Okay. And a couple of questions. So what, [29:24] Do you think it will hold its value? [29:27] Oh my gosh, Dina. That's a hard question. I, yeah, I mean, I think, and then they just dropped an incredible trailer last night. She's a yes. [29:39] Susie, your yes. [29:41] I think I'm not- She stands for them. She always has. [29:45] I don't know if I always... Ah, putting words in my mouth. I love to see it. The dawn of time. Forever. Forever. Which is a song on Bieber's last previous album, Changes. Full circle. Yeah, forever. So I think... [30:03] I mean, I just, when you look at their execution, uh, now there's lots of questions as, okay, is this an actual web three brand? When you look at their acquisition of Larva Labs, which holds crypto punks, that was a very cold transaction. You know what I mean? They announced it on Twitter that they acquired the IP. It's like, that's, you know, in a lot of ways, a very web two, uh, way of, uh, you know, M and a, but, uh, so, so you could argue, okay, are they really embodying the ethos, um, fully of web three? Well. [30:32] So I guess if there was a critique, that might be it. But when you look at what they've done and what they've created and the value that they're actually driving to holders, it's unbelievable. Okay.

[30:43] Wow. And I also heard something about a metaverse land that, [30:50] Yes. So that's kind of teased that. [30:54] They'll be dropping land, apparently, to holders. [30:59] as well as there'll be a massive land sale in which they'll be raising, you know, [31:05] I think the number is around $450 million. Now, will they be able to do that? Will they be able to fill those orders for that land? [31:13] Well, that's a different question. If we look at their history and how they've been executing, it does look like that's possible. But again, you know, that's a huge number. [31:23] Thank you. [31:24] Amazing. Natasha, are you now at a 100%? I'm at a 100%. Are you actually though? I am. I'm totally, I'm tracking, I'm tracking completely. And it's very useful. And I love, I love, you know, that I love nothing more than the intersection of pop culture and crypto. It's really fun. And the apes do that better than anyone. So yeah. [31:45] Are you holding? You're going to hold. [31:48] My personal stash. Blake never sells. She never sells. I've never sold anything to be honest. I shouldn't be talking about it, but yeah, I don't sell. [31:58] It's true. [31:59] Okay. With that... [32:03] I think we move on to the next tweet. So, Blake, we are going to ask you to now explain someone else's tweet, which is wholly unfair. [32:12] for you to ask of you, but- - Whose two is it? It's really the start. - Here's the thing. I wouldn't do it if I didn't know that you could do it. - Okay. - Okay. So this is from Tarun Chitra.

[32:23] Okay. At Tarun Chitra on Twitter. Looks like they're involved with PleaserDAO, Robot Ventures, like some, you know, some very Web3 connected person. [32:34] I love the sweet stupid idea that might actually work. TMZ style gossip column built off of checking the chain of celebrities, docs addresses plus GPT three. Okay. That's the tweet. That's the copy. Then there's a screenshot attached to the tweet. [32:51] And it's three people talking, one of which is Leighton, our friend. Shout out to Leighton. The three people are talking on Twitter. There's three extra tweets in here. The first one is, how often do you think Justin Bieber checks the floor of his ape? Leighton replies, have you checked his address? Has he claimed? And then someone else jumped in and said, he hasn't. Parenz, I checked a few hours ago. [33:13] That's exceptional. That's really exceptional. [33:21] Okay. Um, [33:22] I'm pretty high on percentage. I feel because I've spent some time with this tweet. You sent it to me. I've gotten some, you gave me some time to get comfortable with it. So I got it on Thursday night, read it. [33:35] And I was like, I think I have a sense. I know what, at that point I was like, I know what TMZ is. And I was like, I'll revisit this later. So, and then now I'm tracking the... [33:45] I'm going to let Blake explain it, but I think what is happening here is essentially because the blockchain is public-based. [33:52] And trustless, you can, if you know someone's wallet address, you can go see their activity. So when they're saying doxxed addresses, they're saying, okay, addresses that are out there,

[34:07] that we know are certain celebrities wallets. [34:10] And then there's a lot more, but I would say I'm at a 90. I'm at a 90. But there's a lot that I want Blake to unpack because if someone's at like a three, I want them to feel. [34:21] like I did about the previous tweet. So yeah, [34:23] Passage blank. I do have a question for you. When did you learn Docs? [34:28] Oh. [34:29] Very recently, embarrassingly recent. You know what it was? [34:34] Okay. I'm going to give this some context. We have a, um, application to be a part of the discord, our boys club discord community, and it's on air table and. [34:44] I set it up and then we got some feedback from our community that they wanted to know. [34:49] have more visibility into who they're in community with, blah, blah, blah. [34:53] Thank you. [34:53] So I was like, great, put it all together. A public view of it took some of the more personal stuff out, but it was basically like handle. [35:01] where they work, name, name, [35:04] And I was like, okay, we can put this in our community directory. And do you know, we were on a, um, a, [35:10] Uh, core team call. So there's like 10 of us on there and, um, [35:15] I'm like, here it is. Let's go through it. And Tina was like, I don't feel good about this. We are doxing these people. We are doxing these people. And literally I was like, Oh, it means like exposing someone. And I was like, okay, [35:27] So that happened like maybe two and a half weeks ago. So recent. Great. Okay. But now everyone else knows. Okay. So I'm at, I'm, I'm at like, what I'm missing here is GPT-3. Oh yeah. No idea what that is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. General idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then one thing that I is not explicitly here, but like, I do wonder where all the celebrity doxed addresses are.

[35:51] I would love to check in myself on a couple of minutes. Gwyneth Paltrow, let's see what's up. We need to get her address. What's happening? Can you jump in here and explain? Yes. Okay. So basically GPT-3 is a machine learning model. So it's a way to actually like take basically internet scripts and make it readable, take a bunch of data, make it readable. So that would be just tracing information. [36:20] different addresses and being able to organize data in readable ways. So it makes sense. You could just write a bunch, you, you could, [36:29] Basically, look at all the different addresses that you want to track and then write a model or construct a model in which it could spit back, okay, like Bieber's claimed as ape, or Bieber's claimed as ape tokens. So, yeah, I would say that's the only thing. It's just a way, it's just a model in which to organize all the different Etherscan addresses. Okay, but can you explain the truth? [36:59] obviously there's no I mean hello hi welcome to TMZ we love okay but like can you explain the checking of the chain celebrity like okay yeah so yeah [37:10] If you know, that's the thing. If you know someone's address, you know, [37:15] You can... [37:16] I mean, the most skillful people, you can know someone's whole entire financial history of crypto if someone's kind of being sloppy about it or if they want you to know about it. You find one address. You can track every single transaction that has ever gone in and out of that address. That means you can lead it to other addresses that have sent money in. You can lead it to other addresses that they've sent out money to.

[37:46] on in that address and you can track every single wallet that he has ever interacted with, whether in or out in terms of now out is going to be more. The issue is, um, and our dear, um, friend Evan, um, is so much more eloquent than I am, uh, at speaking on this topic, but you know, really, you don't have a lot of autonomy over what comes, you have zero autonomy over what comes in to your, um, account. They, uh, this happens a lot and I, you know, I'm going to free up and you guys are [38:16] Gary Vee talks about this a lot. [38:20] Can we get, we couldn't get through, we couldn't get through the pod without him. But it could be so. I love Gary Vee just for the third. She's like, Blake is so, I think that Gary Vee is on like a hall pass, like top five. Oh my God. I can't even address any of that. [38:39] Gary Vee, we're going to, Gary Vee talks about this. I'm sure Bieber would talk about this if he really talked that much, [38:46] If you were on the pod. If he was on the podcast. But... [38:49] If you have an NFT project, you can send your NFT to anyone and be like, oh yeah, Justin Bieber collects our NFTs. Well, he doesn't. You just sent him one for free. So a lot of times you can't necessarily tell that much about someone from what's in their wallet, particularly the very high profile ones, because people are sending them stuff all the time for the purpose of being like, oh, look at like Justin Bieber, whatever it is.

[39:19] buying and you can track that directly. So I think it's a 10 out of 10 idea to kind of go through the top 10, 20 addresses and [39:29] 50 celebrity addresses and seeing what's going in and out. Tracking addresses is a really, it's a [39:38] notable strategy in terms of making decisions as to maybe what you want to buy from an investment perspective. If there's people you trust and you respect as NFT investors and you see what they're buying, you can track certain wallets and be like, oh, it's interesting. Okay. They just bought 50 of this. And how does a wallet get doxxed in the first place? Well, this is the thing. If you put your profile picture on Twitter as your avatar that you hold in your wallet, you're doxxing [40:08] Because within five seconds, you can look up that avatar on rarity tools. [40:14] and see what number it is and then type it into open C and then see, or, or, you know, it's right there and you can see those wallets, which is why I'm always kind of trepidatious around talking about what I hold, uh, because you're then telling people very much like very personal information about like your net worth basically. Um, now there's lots of people that are very skillful at [40:36] separating and, um, you know, silo siloing like public wallets versus private. But then if you have a private wallet, you don't want any of, you know, you don't want certain wallets. You, you need very siloed kind of money streams in to a private wallet. Uh, so around, can you like, can you put stuff in, can you put an NFT in a mixer?

[40:58] I hear people talk about mixers or tumblers. Yeah. You know what? [41:02] I assume you can. I haven't heard of that, but I'm sure you can. Again, one of the value propositions with NFTs a lot of times is their provenance, which is very different. [41:14] than with just like crypto where, you know, holding one Bitcoin versus the other isn't necessarily that important. [41:20] Here we are. That's the F4. That's it. That's it. We did it. I have a question. Um, [41:26] So, [41:27] them talking about him claiming [41:30] is ape are they talking about his actual nfd or are they talking about the tokens so they're talking about the token so what you can do and this is what's happening now so from a fun perspective you know i was even looking okay do we do we allocate more capital into uh different board apes of the entire universe to then claim more ape token da da da da da da [41:53] But a lot of you, there's a, there's a section on the website where if you buy an ape, you can check if the tokens have been claimed or not. So you can just type in that. And Bieber has shared which API has. So he's already docks his wallet and you can check his ape and just type in the number and see if he's claimed. [42:10] Okay. Nice. Wow. I'm at a hundred. [42:13] I'm at a hundred. Okay. With that, we're going to wrap this up. [42:17] Thank you so much for coming. You're the best. You're truly the best. Maybe, maybe we can have you on all the time, you know, as much time as we can get. Okay. We'll talk. I love it. Thank you for having me. Wow. We've done it. We've journeyed. We've journeyed through our

[42:47] you. So we're going to do a little something at the end of each of our podcasts that you guys can look forward to or be ready to just leave immediately because you hate it so much. But if we're too dumb to doubt, we're also too scared to tweet. So we're going to hold each other [43:12] tweets that are just sitting in our draft folder because we couldn't bring ourselves to put them out into the world. So what we're going to do, [43:21] is we're going to read some of them at the end of each podcast. And one of us, [43:28] We vote. This is decentralization here. One of us. [43:33] Has to tweet it. [43:35] live. We're doing it live. And then hopefully what will end up happening is people will start to [43:41] be able to identify, oh, yep, that was a tweet that they were forced to tweet during the pod. [43:46] So I have three. [43:47] I don't know if I just read the one that I'm my first one. [43:51] Go for it. [43:52] Okay. This is, this is tough. Okay. Have you ever been so tired? You fell asleep during a bikini wax? Me neither, which actually happened. I literally fell asleep during a bikini wax. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't like asleep, but I was like, then I was like, oh my God, I can't fall asleep here. I pain thresholds. [44:12] You have really high. I mean, you do it once a month for your whole life and you start to just get real decentralized. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[44:24] Um, [44:26] Mine is... [44:29] a play on [44:31] words. [44:32] Okay. It's so dumb. It's so dumb. But... [44:38] It's so, so embarrassing and so dumb that I'm so glad it's festering in my drafts. [44:43] So earlier this week, I mean, Too Dumb to Dow has really been set the precedent for how I've been feeling about my... [44:51] ability to pull this off and to [44:54] set the Dow up. And so this is a nod to that. [44:57] Um, anytime you need to explain the joke before you tell the joke, that means it's probably not a good one. Okay. So it's, [45:06] The word drowning [45:08] with a capital D. Okay. A, capital D, an extra A, [45:13] Capital A and a capital O. Okay. Okay. I'm tracking. Dow. It's got Dow in capital letters in the middle of it. But I also had to, at first I was like, oh, I have this fire tweet idea. It's drowning. It's just capital letters. And then I was like, oh, there's no A in drowning. So... [45:29] I'll just add it in. It's creative license. Okay. Great. Artistic license. Um, so that's, that's mine. And then, Oh, that's it. It's just, yeah. Okay. Okay. Great. Yep. [45:43] - I mean, [45:45] okay do you have another one you want to share i do let me let me pull this up here um [45:49] Okay. Okay. My next one. Um, [45:52] In the spirit of feeling dumb as well. Do you ever have days where you're like, I'm pretty sure I can't read?

[45:57] Like I have those all the time. Like I have these zoom calls at my day job with like 10 people that I've never met all the time and their names are, you know, on the zoom and I'm literally like, spell it out, Tosh, spell it out. And I'm like, Rena. And she's like, Rena. [46:12] Yeah, Rina. And I'm just like, what is wrong with me? [46:15] So I was hoping that would get a lot of engagement and people would make me feel better about it. Relatable content. That's my job, honestly. Okay. Okay. Here's my second one. [46:30] OK. [46:31] I'm just going to say it. I'm not going to explain it first. [46:34] Peloton voice. [46:36] - Wait, in asterisks, Peloton voice. [46:39] What's up, Peloton? [46:43] And Peloton people, they know... [46:47] Every time you start. [46:52] And I feel like we need to acknowledge that moment in our lives. So. [46:58] honestly i feel inspired i feel ready to work out it makes me feel like it's time to get on the bike [47:04] Okay. Thank you for listening to this. [47:07] Which one are we sending? [47:11] Oh, I think we do the Peloton one. Okay. People will know. People who know will know. People who know. And that's really important. That's what we're here for. We're here for appealing to the 1% of people who understand. Exactly. It's basically Boys Club. [47:27] Okay. Thank you so much for joining our Boys Club podcast and sitting in on our first episode. We are very open to feedback. So tell us all the things that you loved and tell us all the things that you liked.

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